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Going Deeper part 17 


Editor's note: This transcript has been lightly edited to bring clarification to certain points of the dialogue and for easier readability. For this reason, it does not match the corresponding audio mp3 word-for-word. However, the overall content and the expressed ideas remain unchanged.


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Level Confusion

Speaker: It gets back to level confusion once again. You can’t be miracle minded and in the right mind AND perceive sickness in the world.

Participant: And I can still perceive certain behaviours of the body as it were, so called symptoms of the body, but the healed mind just knows and holds that what the eyes are communicating to it or revealing to it is not so, that it’s impossible regardless of what the eyes and the ears are taking in, the information?

Speaker: Yes, the body’s eyes can report differences and different symptoms, (and this is from the Teachers Manual), it can report changes in appearances for instance but the healed mind puts them into one category, they are unreal. And that should be a hint right there, into one category in the sense that, to the split mind, it has judged and fragmented and ordered the world into different categories and the senses just bring forth witnesses to fill the categories. So, when the mind, let’s go of the split, when the mind ceases to judge and ceases to order and ceases to make categories for the world then they kind of get put into the one category of unreal. That they are equally seen to be unreal, that the illusion of sickness and health in the sense of the world’s eyes are both put into the category as being unreal.

When the mind is healed which means it listens to the Holy Spirit’s voice, operates in the right mind and consistently chooses the miracle, then the body is invulnerable. The Course tells us, as long as the mind is listening to the Holy Spirit and following the Voice for God, the body will be used for as long as it is needed and then it is gently laid aside.

It all starts with the perception. This is a course in correcting perception, in relinquishing judgement.

Participant: Right. So, the miracle mindedness is seeing whatever the body’s eyes see but not interpreting them in a certain way, not passing any judgement on them or ranking them or giving them any reality. Just acknowledging that they’re unreal and impossible?

Speaker: Yes, and we must also say that we are still speaking in metaphor, in a stepping stone, because we have already spoken of, in revelation and in the holy instant there are no bodies. So, in that sense, literally in revelation, perception disappears. As Jesus says in the Course, you get a glimpse of the end, you get to see the end, which is pure light. There are no bodies in that.

Now revelation, is not normally maintained. If the state of revelation was maintained, the body would not be maintained for long because of course there is no need, the mind is in such a state of remembrance of the Kingdom that there is no need for a body any more. And literally the body and the world disappear in that instant, in the Great Rays, in the Light of that instant.

Participant: They disappear into the nothingness from which they came?

Speaker: Yes, yes.

Participant: So, maybe this is a good time to talk about true perception, the real world, all of that. Which is like, as I see it, just that last little step before it all disappears.

Speaker: Yes. This is, in a sense, knowledge or love. It’s beyond the curriculum of the Course. The Course is a course in removing the blocks to the awareness of love. So, true perception, the real world, are metaphors of a mind that has let go of judgement, it is a highly trained mind.

Participant: So all those barriers have been removed in the state of true perception or real world?

Speaker: Or the borderland. These are all metaphors for a highly trained mind where the mind has learned the Holy Relationship for example. It has unlearned the ways of the world, the laws of the world. It has learned that it is not governed by those laws, the mind is only governed by the laws of God and in a sense it is a metaphor or stepping off point for the mind that literally, once it reaches this stage, that it’s come so close to Love, it’s as high as learning can go. But, once again, Knowledge is not learned, Knowledge is. And, in a sense, the real world, true perception, the borderland are metaphors.

Participant: Is the holy instant another way of describing that? Is that comparable to true perception?

Speaker: The holy instant is described in many ways. For instance, “You will still attempt to bring the past with you into the holy instant”. It’s still talked about in ways that is purely eternal. It’s the gateway, so to speak, to the eternal. And, while the mind still has attention on the world, still sees some value, some shred of value even, in the world as being real in any way, then it’s still attempting to bring the past into the holy instant. When one truly focuses the mind or lets go of everything else, it lets go into the holy instant and in a sense that’s the gateway to eternity. Just like we could talk about the Holy Spirit as seeming to work in form or seeming to work with the lower mind and so forth, that there is an eternal aspect of the Holy Spirit that the Course says will remain with you always in Heaven. And so, you could make that analogy with the Holy Spirit and the holy instant. The miracle is described more as perceptual; there can be a perceptual component to the miracle.

Participant: And there’s a perceptual component in the real world and true perception but you’re saying that there’s not a perceptual component in the holy instant, or there is?

Speaker: When you go into the holy instant there are no bodies, in the holy instant. That’s more analogous to Revelation, to the Great Rays. And these are just terms, I mean, here we are, we are using terms again and the holy instant is an experience. A miracle is an experience. To be in the right mind is an experience. These are just words that are tools for the mind to use to meet it where it believes its at as a springboard to this experience.

The holy instant cannot be prepared for. I mean, that can be a mind blowing concept, just like why am I working with ACIM? Why am I putting all these hours into studying it and carrying out these lessons throughout the day? In one sense, seeming to prepare my mind for it when in other passages we read that it can’t be prepared for. Obviously, to prepare for something is to put it into the future and the Holy Instant is now. It is this instant, this present. So, there’s the trap of becoming, the trap of preparing for and all that…that has to be laid aside as well.

Participant: Then all that’s required for the Holy Instant is that desire to experience it and the willingness to experience it?

Speaker: A very whole-hearted desire. The desire for nothing else…yes, very single minded. I think there are some passages in the Course that can relate to what we are talking about. There is the section I know you’ve been reading recently, the “I need do nothing” section and it’s followed by the “Little Garden” section on page 362 and 364 in the 1st Edition Text, but I’ll read a few paragraphs here and maybe we can use that. In a sense once again as a summary of some of the things we have been talking about because it is very clearly laid out.

“I Need Do Nothing.

You still have too much faith in the body as a source of strength. What plans do you make that do not involve its comfort or protection or enjoyment in some way? This makes the body an end and not a means in your interpretation, and this always means you still find sin attractive. No one accepts Atonement for himself who still accepts sin as his goal. You have thus not met your one responsibility. Atonement is not welcomed by those who prefer pain and destruction.

There is one thing that you have never done; you have not utterly forgotten the body. It has perhaps faded at times from your sight, but it has not yet completely disappeared. You are not asked to let this happen for more than an instant, yet it is in this instant that the miracle of Atonement happens. Afterwards you will see the body again, but never quite the same. And every instant that you spend without awareness of it gives you a different view of it when you return.

At no single instant does the body exist at all. It is always remembered or anticipated, but never experienced just now. Only its past and future make it seem real. Time controls it entirely, for sin is never wholly in the present. In any single instant the attraction of guilt would be experienced as pain and nothing else, and would be avoided. It has no attraction now. Its whole attraction is imaginary, and therefore must be thought of in the past or in the future.

It is impossible to accept the holy instant without reservation unless, just for an instant, you are willing to see no past or future. You cannot prepare for it without placing it in the future.”

Participant: That was your very point wasn’t it?

Speaker: Yes. This is the point and Jesus is making it here in the Course, that if we place salvation or the holy instant, the Atonement, in the future, it is still a concept, it is still feared, there is still a gap. “Release is given you the instant You desire it.”
And that was your point, that desire is the key thing, as I said, it needs to be whole-heartedly desired.

Participant: Above all else.

Speaker: Yes, above all else.

“Many have spent a lifetime in preparation, and have indeed achieved their instants of success.”

So here we talk about preparation again and it seems like, you can’t prepare for it. Once again, he’s speaking in the level of the world, speaking in the level of the Course where you have stages in the Development of Trust. This definitely seems to be preparation, the mind goes through stages. It seems to be that judgement is relinquished, step by step. It seems that forgiveness involves steps. That time involves intervals that in reality do not exist. The miracle is like a time collapse, the collapse of a time interval which is still within the framework of the dream. But in the ultimate sense of it, time itself…it was a gentle correction, a gentle plan of awakening fromo the belief in separation that involves intervals that in reality do not exist. So we’re still talking about, in this sense of preparation within the world’s framework.

“Many have spent a lifetime in preparation, and have indeed achieved their instants of success.”

We skip down to 363 and an interesting set of sentences.

“To do anything involves the body. And if you recognise you need do nothing, you have withdrawn the body’s value from your mind. Here is the quick and open door through which you slip past centuries of effort, and escape from time. This is the way in which sin loses all attraction right now. For here is time denied, and past and future gone. Who needs do nothing has no need for time.”

If we move to page 364, the next page, we come back to the idea of the body. In our conversation today we’ve talked about the body as being a limit on communication. The Holy Spirit can still use the body as a symbol and words as a crude kind of a stepping stone towards that leaping off point where the mind is returned to communication with the Father or Communion. And this section here helps really summarise and anchor what we’ve been talking about.

“The Little Garden.

It is only the awareness of the body that makes love seem limited. For the body is a limit on love. The belief in limited love was its origin and it was made to limit the unlimited. Think not that this is merely allegorical, for it was made to limit YOU. Can you who see yourself within a body know yourself as an idea?”
An idea of course is abstract. The idea here being, Christ, the Son of God, is an idea in the Mind of God. Ideas leave not their source. Meaning, Christ, the idea of Christ, has never left its Source which is the Mind of God.

“Everything you recognise you identify with externals, something outside itself. You cannot even think of God without a body, or in some form you think you recognise.”

And this relates to our talk about the construct, the self concept. That everything it’s identified with externally is part of that construct.


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