Going Deeper part 11
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What is it For?
Participant: It’s a whole new way of looking
at complements isn’t it?
Speaker: It’s very subtle. When you study the masters, you see
they have such compassion and caring and they’re very concerned
with their pupils’ thoughts, and their beliefs and they are constantly
helping point out those things in a very gentle way. But as far as complementing,
especially when you get to appearances or even particular traits and
so on… there can be certain traits that are reflections of Holy
relationship, reflections of purity of thought that you can rejoice
in with one another and that can be very supportive. But when we say
complement, we’re really focusing on the ego’s attempt to
complement the body or particular skills that are associated with the
body, to raise them up as being important and literally attempt to saying;
this is great, you have improved, you’re a better self than you
were before, and it still maintains that construct, it doesn’t
get beyond it.
Participant: That’s why the admonition is that we’re not
to adorn the body in a way that draws attention to it. It’s that
very thing of adding some reality or importance to what’s just
Speaker: Yes, make something of nothing. But it’s not often seen
that way but if God is Spirit and Christ is Spirit and the body is nothing
and the mind attempts to rise up or make important that which is non-existent,
then obviously we have a major identity deception that’s going
on here. And by withdrawing the investment in appearances and how things
look and focusing the mind’s attention on healing or the One Intent,
you can call it forgiveness or the miracle or however you want to go
with the words, it’s relinquished; it’s laid aside, it’s
Participant: Why would a mind that would see the body as nothing want
to put any of its mind toward nothing, why would it want to spend time
and energy in dolling up and beautifying nothing?
Speaker: Yes. It would only want to do that if it believed it was that
thing – that it was its chosen home and that it could actually
make that home better. So once you can start to see the metaphysics
on what’s going on then it’s not a sacrifice to start. The
form changes will flow automatically from the changes in perception
and changes in thinking. It’s not the other way around. Otherwise
you fall into the ascetic trap.
Participant: By changing the form when the content, the mind, hasn’t
been changed at all.
Participant: Yes, that’s sacrifice. That’s deprivation.
Speaker: Yes, part of the mind will try to go through with it because
the book said so or this and this and this, but there’s still
a belief that it at some level still has a value. And there’s
a conflict that goes on in the mind when the mind is split.
Participant: There’s where the resentment would come in?
Speaker: Yes. Like a coercion; I’m doing this for God, I’m
doing this because Jesus tells me I have to and so on so forth. Jesus
wants us to start thinking like him and then the behavior automatically
follows from the thoughts. But the thought level or the mind level is
the only place where true change can take place. Changing the form per
se, as if it was possible to just change form, is like changing constructs
and holding the belief in the construct in mind still and that doesn’t
Participant: I can notice what goes on at a form level and use that
to start bringing it back to my mind and my beliefs. I can notice how
much time I spend coloring my hair or styling my hair or soaking in
a bubble bath or whatever. Whatever I do that pampers or beautifies
the body. And just notice that I have placed some value in the body,
obviously, by putting that much toward it; and then just use that as
a signal to go back in the mind and look at what’s really going
on there; what’s the construct that’s held in place that
would have me put that kind of mind toward a body.
Speaker: yes, what is it for? What is all this dolling up and so on
so forth for? When you really can ask a fundamental question like that
then you can start to get a sense of the construct because those actions
and attempts is the mind asking the body to play out fantasies that
seem to reinforce that it is a body. The mind can have fantasies of
pleasure, it can have fantasies of pain, it can have fantasies of attack
and defense and so on. But the mind can no more truly attack. If the
mind could truly attack then guilt would be justified.
Participant: And the separation could have happened, I guess, in that
Speaker: Yes, and the attack thoughts that Jesus talks about in the
lessons you know; I’m only vulnerable to my own attack thoughts;
My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability for example a lesson
like that, is still speaking on the split mind level. Those attack thoughts
are in the wrong mind, are part of a split mind.
Participant: They are part of the construct that we’re talking
Speaker: Yes and the healing come from pulling back and disidentifying,
from being able to watch those things, those attack thoughts without
horror. Instead of being horrible, terrifying attack thoughts, they’re
just unreal thoughts! And therefore the horror is gone. From the right
mind these thoughts are not horrifying because it’s known they’re
unreal. The Holy Spirit does not buy the false beliefs; he’s anchored
in the true identity of the Son and the Source. So with relationships
it comes back to the mind watching. It’s watching and noticing
my feelings and reactions. Those are my trigger points, those are my
clues offered a gateway to go in and question the self concept, question
my false beliefs and associations. That thing that you were talking
about that seemed kind of large and overwhelming, moment by moment is
the golden opportunity if one can watch ones feelings and have a willingness
to see the world differently; a willingness to withdraw the meanings
that have been read into and given to the world, to the perceptions.
Participant: And that seems to be accelerated in so called relationship
with someone that doesn’t always see eye to eye with me? Of course
even if the person seems to see eye to eye with me there’s all
that stuff that comes up about intimacy. The acceleration doesn’t
have to come about through being in so called relationship with someone
that I’m at odds with.
Speaker: Yes, it’s truly breaking it apart; I mean even saying
that there are special love relationship and special hate, these are
just flipsides of this desire to see the split, there is the split again,
the desirable friends and the undesirable friends, the good guys/the
bad guys. Once again it gets back to the mind wanting to see that split
out in the world. There really is no difference. True relationship is
a state of mind. It’s not dependent on anything external. And
when we speak about special love and special hate relationships then
these are metaphors as well for the trick that the mind is trying to
do, as if it knows what love is. Attraction and attachment are words
that might be more suitable to love as this world sees it.
Participant: And fantasy.
Speaker: Yes. “Meet my needs”.
Participant: It’s a humbling thought to remember that I don’t
really know what love is. That anything I have thought has been love
in this world has not.
Speaker: An open mind can begin to get a glimmer of that, because the
seeking and the pursuing it, goes with that as well. It’s a change
of perception with relinquishment of judgment. Here comes a more stabilized
perception and feelings of peace, feelings of wholeness and joy and
completion and the seeking ends.
Participant: But when I don’t know what I’m looking for.
When I acknowledge that I don’t know what it is and I wouldn’t
recognize it probably, if I saw it. Then I guess it’s kind of
pointless to keep seeking, in that respect.
Speaker: Even the deceived mind can say in a sense, I’m looking
for love, I’m looking for happiness, I just want to be happy but
it’s where one is looking for it. The deceived mind counsels the
ego which says: look out in the world; look into the darkened glass
as it says in the Corinthians, and look for idols, for forms that will
bring you happiness. So the mind is still looking for happiness but
it’s just looking outward into the projection to find it whereas
inward is where it can be found; the light in the mind, that the false
beliefs and the concepts and the constructs have covered over, is where
happiness is, is where love is.
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