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Going Deeper part 8 


Editor's note: This transcript has been lightly edited to bring clarification to certain points of the dialogue and for easier readability. For this reason, it does not match the corresponding audio mp3 word-for-word. However, the overall content and the expressed ideas remain unchanged.


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The Remedy for Identity Confusion

Speaker: Let me recognize my problem has been solved. This gets at the idea that we were talking about that the construct – the self concept – is past tense. That to see it as it really is, is to see it as past, as over, as done. If you are willing to recognize your problems you will recognize that you have no problem! Your one central problem has been answered and you have no other. Therefore you must be at peace.

So obviously if I don’t feel at peace then once again it’s a mistaken identity of my self, a mistaken perception. I’ve identified with the construct. That’s the problem. I change my mind.

Participant: It’s always the problem isn’t it? It’s always identity confusion.

Speaker: Yes. It’s always an identity confusion. And it’s always remedied with a decision, with a remembrance, with a seeing that oops, that’s the problem, it’s a change of mind. The atonement is a permanent change of mind. A miracle – seems to be something you can choose. You can choose to forgive, you can choose a miracle. And then it seems like there are times when the mind doesn’t choose the miracle or it doesn’t choose forgiveness and it seems to be a state of unrest or upset but that’s a part of the construct in itself. It is a fluctuating self that can at times be whole and complete or remember its wholeness and at other times not. The atonement is the fact that it is all or nothing. It is a permanent awareness. The fluctuation ends. You will learn this course entirely or not at all. Those statements suddenly jump in to bearing; suddenly you can see the meaning of that.

Salvation thus depends on recognizing there’s one problem and understanding that it has been solved. One problem – one solution, salvation is accomplished. Freedom from conflict has been given you. Accept that fact and you’re ready to take your rightful place in God’s plan for salvation. Your only problem has been solved! Repeat this over and over to yourself today with gratitude and conviction. You have recognized your only problem! Opening the way for the Holy Spirit to give you God’s answer. You have laid deception aside and seen the light of truth. You have accepted salvation for yourself by bringing the problem to the answer and you can recognize the answer because the problem has been identified. What a phenomenal release!

Participant: Yes, that’s the word that came to my mind too. What a release!

Speaker: Is this practical? Is peace of mind practical?

Participant: It better be or who wants it? What’s the point if it’s not?

Speaker: But that’s the question that the mind must answer. You know. This is just a very eminently practical course. It’s aimed at revealing the simplicity of salvation, the simplicity of peace of mind. It’s a tool for helping the mind cut through its own deception, its own beliefs about itself that circumscribe it, that limit it, that keep it bound in awareness, not in reality, just in this awareness. And this is the good news. This is the gospel that Jesus came to teach to set man free.

Participant: This is the Hurrah! Hallelujah! Identity crisis takes on a new look or a new meaning in these terms. It’s not something that occurs when you’re forty. It’s something that occurs in the mind and is perpetuated in the mind until atonement, until the mind wakes up to who and what it is.

Speaker: So that’s a description of it. And that can be a metaphor for describing the process and then if you bring it back to “I”, you know, it comes back to “me” in that sense; the mind and my decision; this moment. That’s the focus. That’s where the attention needs to be focused. The attention must be splintered when the mind has its attention riveted on past thoughts and future thoughts. It’s in that sense the mind is riveted on the construct, on the concept. It sees itself as within that construct or concept. There is no escape for it! There is no relief for it…for a mind that is identified with a concept, a construct like that. If you take this line of thinking and you run it out to any realm of life, you can start to see the implications for perceived problems in relationships or perceived problems in finances, economics and scarcity and so forth.

Participant: Would you like to run it out for one of those, or both of those?

Speaker: Do you have a particular avenue?

Participant: Well, I think everyone at some point or other has that show up in relationship. So why don’t we run it out in relationship.

Speaker: Ok, why don’t we start with the metaphysics and give the whole setting of relationships a basis or a metaphysical underpinning so that we can come back to that. If we run it back to that there is one problem and that it is misidentity. In biblical terms we could even call it “the fall of man” or “the fall from grace” or however you do it to misidentify yourself. To forsake ones identity as God created oneself in Spirit is the fall and to invest ones mind or to believe a little puff of madness – that such a thing is possible, is where the split or the big bang or the fracturing seemed to occur. And when we speak relationship in this world we speak of relationship involving persons again, and bodies.

Participant: Here we go, subject/object again.

Speaker: Back into a subject/object and whether we define the relationship as mother/daughter, mother/son or father/daughter, father/son, as a relationship between lovers, marriage, couple, close friends, best friends, acquaintances, neighbours, peers, brothers, sisters and just on and on and on and on, these are different constructs; Love is one, there aren’t different kinds of love. There’s just one experience of love and to fragment it out and to think that there are different kinds of love is once again to make a construct of something as a substitute for the true experience of the oneness. So the projected world was made as a defence against love. As soon as the split seemed to occur, as soon as the tiny mad idea, the ego, was bought so to speak, the lie was bought or taken seriously instead of laughed at, then a defence was needed. In a sense the mind believed that it was guilty, that it had usurped the power of God, the ego projected out a world to hide in and in a sense told the mind, you can go in here, this can be your home now.

Participant: God won’t come into form; he’ll never find you here.

Speaker: God is Spirit and eternal and changeless. Form is finite, fragmented, limited, specific, particular, that he can’t come in here, you can hide. And therefore, that’s where the identity and that’s where the investment in relationships as they’re perceived in this world comes in. Because once again, subject/object – now, if I’m in a deceived state I believe I’m a person. And believing I’m a person – already I’ve got a deep sense of loneliness and upset and loss and guilt and fear in my mind from making up something that was false and denying my wholeness, my true Self as Christ.

So that’s why there’s such a searching for love; such a craving you know, seeking out Mr Right, seeking out the right friends, looking for someone to trust.

Participant: To reverse these feelings of isolation.

Speaker: Yes, to solve my loneliness-problem. It’s not seen as I’ve got a problem because that I believe I’m a person, that I’ve created a construct of a person in a world but it’s seen as I’m a person just like there’re lots of persons and I’m lonely or I’m empty and I’ve got to seek for something outside of myself to fulfill me.

Participant: And it’s only natural and it’s only normal, I mean that’s what the teaching and the training and the learning has been. That this is just the way it is, you know. People come together; people find each other… common interests, common values, common purposes, common goals...

Speaker: Yes, it’s quite sneaky in the sense that if I have a construct of myself that I’m a person and I like America and I like the city and I like fine dining or I like sports or like cuddling up and watching movies or pizza or whatever and if I find another person, so called, who likes the same things I like, wow! There’s a match made in heaven. Now I have made up a construct of a world and a self that’s little but the littleness doesn’t seem so bad because I’ve found another self that agrees with me on this.

Participant: Complementary littleness. /laughter/

Speaker: That reinforces my construct as being true. It’s sneaky, sneaky. I mean in a sense it’s a match made in heaven. It’s heaven on earth for the ego because now the form has been raised as a substitute for the abstract spirit and the deception has been bought and it doesn’t seem horrifying and traumatic. I’ve run away from that and now I’ve seemed to have made up a state where I’ve actually found happiness by getting something outside myself.

Participant: And what’s going on is that there’s a substitution taking place. The mind is substituting that for Heaven, substituting that for God.

Speaker: Yes. Taking all of my emotional happiness eggs and putting it into a basket of this other love partner, special friend and it can even be objectified into my car, my boat, my house, my rifles, you know, pick your choice…

Participant: A sports team that I root for...

Speaker: Yes, it doesn’t matter what the concept is. These are thought-form-associations and suddenly the mind is very identified with this substitute because it seems to..

Participant: ..give it everything it needs, everything it wants.

Speaker: Yes. And I don’t have to remember about that light back in the mind that keeps recalling and reminding me of my abstract reality. I can dissociate that – completely forget that light and get so caught up in the form relationship and so on and so forth. And another thing too is that I need my special friends, my special love partners, my special people in my life because the flipside is that there are going to be those persons that are not supportive of this construct that I’ve made. They seem to see the whole construct in a different way, you know. If part of my construct is prolife and I feel very strongly about that –on the abortion issue – and another person seems to be very vehemently pro choice then there’s a conflict there. This is not a friend; this is someone who’s seen as weakening, attempting to weaken my values. One of us has to be right, the ego says, and I don’t need to put up with or be around or I need to convince that other person that they’re wrong because I’m right. You could apply that to any issue that you can think of. But ultimately it gets played out in relationships in that I find the special friends, the people that will agree with me and surround myself with people that will somehow share the same values and to distance my self, segregate my self from those people that have different values whether it’s different skin colors, different values, different religious ethnicity and so on so forth.

Participant: I’m remembering what I brought up yesterday that I got in touch with. This whole thing of belonging and wanting to feel that I belong, you know like I belong to this family, this marriage, this couple. I belong as part of this team, as part of this company, as part of this church, as part of this organization, as part of this country. It just goes on and on and on… but I was just looking at how strongly the deceived mind wants to be associated with something, connected to something. And whatever that something is that it connects itself to is always something that supports and buys into the construct of itself that it’s made up. So it’s self-perpetuating.

Speaker: It’s very important because other than that the only recourse would be to turn within and start to question everything. To question ones own values and to start to dig deeper go into the mind which of course the ego will counsel “don’t do that”. “You’ll be obliterated”… “You’ll be destroyed if you go back to the beginning”. The ego’s assumption of the separation is that it is real, it has occurred. You have usurped God’s power if you go back towards that light. The ego counsels that you’ll pay for what you’ve done. And it’s imaginary. Beneath the ego, the belief in separation of course, is the awareness of the joy that it’s impossible. You can’t separate from your Father. You can choose not to be aware of truth but you can’t change truth. Truth is.

That was about relationships. What was the other thing?

Participant: Financial…

Speaker: Yes, finances. In this world, money is like an interchangeable medium of value of the world. It’s like every split or fragment in mind seems to have a different construct of the world. There has to be some, as the ego would counsel, some segment or unit of measurement for exchange for the external goods and services and so forth. And money is a symbol of that and that’s why it’s so valued.

Also it gets back to the subject/object split. If I believe I’m a person and as you said earlier: I believe I have rights and certain things, I believe that I’m a body, I’m a person, I can go places and see things and achieve things and accumulate things and all these things that are part of the construct, then money is seen as very, very, very valuable, as far as the constructs go and as far as the forms go. It is very high on my hierarchy of my list of forms because it’s so interchangeable; it’s believed that it can bring me what I want. And when I say what I want it gets back to what I want as defined as the person.

Participant: That’s where the identity confusion comes in again.

Speaker: Yes. So in a sense if I define myself as a person and a person is being associated with certain forms and things, be they climates, or possessions, positions, statues, that that money then is very acquainted with my worth and there’s much worries about money because it seems to impinge on my value. It’s down to my identity questions my identity becomes very tied up in the money because money is such a symbol; an interchangeable symbol that represents lots of things. I can get lots of things with it. So there are enormous pressures and strains and things that the mind goes through with financial problems. It still comes back to that conceptual problem; the construct of subject and object. And when that dissolves, obviously there’s no need of money because there’s no more need of the world.

Participant: It’s only the construct self that has a need for money or anything that money can buy. That’s what you’re saying?

Speaker: The construct is a construct in lack…


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