Editor's note: This transcript has been lightly edited to bring clarification to certain points of the dialogue and for easier readability. For this reason, it does not match the corresponding audio mp3 word-for-word. However, the overall content and the expressed ideas remain unchanged.

Participant: It seems as if the separation and the fragmentation though, have carried on to different planes. If you think of it in a linear sense or within the metaphor that after we die there’s a sense of separation somewhere else, that maybe the dream is happier, or something like that. I’m trying to put these near death experience books that I’ve read into context. These experiences are accorded reality. After the body has ceased to function there may still be experiences of separation.

Speaker: In a sense it feels like there is an afterlife. What I’m getting from the Course is that this isn’t life. There never was life. There isn’t anything that comes after this because this isn’t. But, the mind still wants to say, ‘Well, this is life.’ And like my grandmother always used to say, ‘Well, what happens when you die?’ and the Course is leaping it out of that perspective.

Participant: But, it seems as if from writings that we have that there are experiences that seem to be after death that are part of the overall fragmentation experience, and these are accorded reality and talked about as if this is what happens after you die. But, it’s all still part of the same illusion.

Participant: The astral plane and the causal plane.

Participant: All kinds of planes and one’s a little better than the other.

Participant: They’re all illusions.

Speaker: Get away from the idea that there is a collective world out there outside my mind or even collective egos. Because then suddenly it still offers another way to pawn it off a little bit.

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